I thought as this is unsurprisingly a running theme in people’s LJs, I’d comment on it too. this is all just my opinion and is likely bollocks to many people. But i guess my opinion’s no less than anyone elses.

I don’t like wars. I don’t like the idea of killing. I really don’t like Bush and I have no particular fondness for Tony Blair either. There may well be economical motivations behind the war.. Well, there ARE mixed motivations..

To some extent i think its worth looking past why it’s happening, because they try and condition the public into thinking it’s some moral and defensive thing.. Well, partly it might be, but they shouldnt try to simplify it that much.. There should always be good justification for war.. And if saddam has been doing the stuff he’s reported to have been doing then that’s possibly enough reason in its own right..

To quote some fact(oid)s (lol. wtf is a factoid?) from a recent MTV ‘european students grill tony blair about the possible war with iraq’ program; (before the war stuff) iraqi refugees are the second largest group of refugees in the world.. Saddam has used chemical/biological weapons against minorities in iraq.. and rather than using the limited resources of the country (largely due to sanctions) to keep his people alive and well he’s funded his family’s personal wealth and military.. His regime has a record of human torture on prisoners, including; acid baths, nail pulling off and a couple of other things i can’t remember.

On the anti war side there’s material like this: http://www.smh.com.au/handheld/articles/2003/03/14/1047583702928.htm – or IS it anti war? if sanctions have in part made it this bad for them in iraq.. isnt that a sign that sanctions really arent working? I mean, here are the relevent UN resolutions that saddam’s apparently been ignoring (until a very imminent threat of war, when he provided *some* of the required stuff:
661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001

Errrr.. Surely evidence enough that telling him to ‘play nicely’ isnt working, and isnt LIKELY to work at all. ever. Isnt very likely to work on his sons either.

I am not ‘pro war’ .. I dont think many people are. I don’t think iraq’s an immediate threat to the west either. (well, not until now, heh) I think the majority of iraq WILL be celebrating on being ‘liberated’ from the current dictatorship. And i think it’s taken a lot of balls.. especially from blair, to stand up for his own beliefs to this extent.

If its that bad in iraq already, a few hundred.. even a few thousand.. more than that?.. deaths to make it better for them in the future *might* be worth it. people are dying all the time.. thousands, every day, from famine, war, etc etc.. Give the refugees somewhere worth going home to? Avoids death and depravity in the *long run* It’s not as simple as ‘war is bad, lets not fight anything’ because there’s a lot of countries out there that would quite happily hurt each other, our countries.. and just as importantly their own people.. And I think (and this is all a bit babylon 5 and entirely speculative) that the wars over the next 100 years or so will do a great job of getting rid of the ‘evil’ dictator types over the world, setting the stage for a huge drive in international human rights building.. i mean, if all of the countries can communicate at least then it’ll help. places dont need to see eye to eye, but there does need to be some degree of unity. which means eliminating rogue powers (where they are harmful and uncooperative)

I think it’s ironic that war is the only way this is likely to happen. I dont see how there will be worldwide reform without forcing it on people (to some extent). The countries who do things we consider wrong aren’t just going to change their mind. Culture and tradition are important. But are they more important than the happiness and well-being of the people they effect? Human ‘rights’ are completely subjective but personally I think if something’s DOING HARM it should be stopped. In the short term it might mean pain, and more harm.. but in the long term it’s often worth it. like umm.. using bonjela on ulcers. 🙂

Most of iraq’s army dont want to fight anyway. huge chunks of it are likely to just give up. Who knows.

And hmm, death is bad, and the ‘thousands of deaths might be worth it’ sounds very very unpersonal and horrid.. and people would likely say id think different if it was happening to me. I probably would. But i wouldnt like living in iraq how it is now either. If you cant get rid of something without force and its in everyone’s best interests to get rid of it. Maybe you *should* use force? Even if these arent the motivations the west has for fighting the war.. if it results in the same outcome for the people there.. if things are better for them, and their neighbours, it might not be so bad.. I kind of see a good side to ‘honest’ charging in and kicking butt, it makes more sense than the clandestine secretly funding and training the enemy’s internal rebel element method, which is the other alternative.. that way you might not end up with anything better than what’s currently there..

And im not saying i trust the west to make a good job of fixing iraq up afterward either. but its good that they at least say they’re going to try. *shrugs*

This is all part naive, part speculative on my behalf but its not as simple as people want to believe. Wars might be good for the world in the long run, if fought well and ‘ethically’. (in my opinion that means no nukes, and only fighting against real bad things.. ie; outwardly and/or inwardly harmful influences.. No vietnams, heh) True, no single person or country can decide what’s ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.. but if the whole damn world has decided something’s wrong, and people are being hurt and their lives messed up, turning a blind eye is a bit weak. The world is shrinking. Advances and spread of technology and resources over time will make sure that eventually things on earth will likely be muuuch better *for everyone*. in the meantime its not going to be pretty. occasionally.